Couple of Suggestions

ProffessionalPervert · Subject: Re: Couple of Suggestions Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:40 am

The problem with that, is that it'd be to hard for the other team to catch up after falling behind, and it'd be a pain in the arse to balance.

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The Lich King · Commando Posts: 200 Join date: 2008-12-12

A few ideas for Quarterstaffs with possible bonus damage suggestions[No particular order]:
1) KillStick (lol) http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Killstick

2) Electrostaff - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Electrostaff

3) Shockstaff - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shockstaff

4) Gand Shockprod staff - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gand_shockprod_staff

5) Massassi Battle Staff - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Massassi_battle_staff

6) Pummelstave - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pummelstave

7) Taser Stave - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Taser_stave

San-Ni Staff - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/San-Ni_staff

9) Gaderffii [Gaffi stick. Yes, I know they're already in, but I think they should add +1 piercing, due to the point at one end.] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gaderffii

10) Handmaiden's Staff - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Handmaiden%27s_staff

[Lol, the only reason I'm pushing for this, is because my main uses one. And because most other weapons get damage bonuses anyway.]

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Worship Cthulhu · Commando Posts: 154 Join date: 2009-05-28

Couple of suggestions:

Invisibility Belt - This belt only makes you disappear, not silent, right? I've heard some complaints about non-sneakers being able to sneak just as well as the sneak sneakers using these belts. This can be solved by having the belt only Hide you, instead of Move Silently you as well. So when someone using a belt moves, and they don't have Move Silently, you can see them.

Speeders - How is it conceivable to enter stealth mode while riding a speeder? This should be impossible. Especially during combat!

Akamaz · Recruit Posts: 12 Join date: 2009-08-29 Age: 33

Worship Cthulhu wrote:

Couple of suggestions:

Speeders - How is it conceivable to enter stealth mode while riding a speeder? This should be impossible. Especially during combat!

hmmm... maybe some sort of cloaking device? hmm

Sadistic Hobo · Stormtrooper Posts: 57 Join date: 2009-06-17 Age: 19

Akamaz wrote:

Worship Cthulhu wrote:

Couple of suggestions:

Speeders - How is it conceivable to enter stealth mode while riding a speeder? This should be impossible. Especially during combat!

hmmm... maybe some sort of cloaking device? hmm

From that same article;
"They can't have disappeared. No ship that small has a cloaking device…" (Referring to the Falcon)

Certainly the star wars equivalent of a Kawasaki Ninja is as well. But not even considering canon, which I don't care about anywho, it's a common sense thing. People that do it just want to be able to use hide without the movement speed penalty. That shouldn't be allowed.

Akamaz · Recruit Posts: 12 Join date: 2009-08-29 Age: 33

I hadn't thought of that part. but also, further down in that article it mentioned that there were some people who had personal cloaking devices as well.

i don't have one so it's not that big of a deal to me right now, my thoughts may change if i encounter somone using it.

Sadistic Hobo · Stormtrooper Posts: 57 Join date: 2009-06-17 Age: 19

Well yes personal cloaks exist. Our beloved Mk3 is just that. But a PC doesn't have an engine that screams like a banshee and roars like the apocalypse when it moves.

Worship Cthulhu · Commando Posts: 154 Join date: 2009-05-28

Sadistic Hobo wrote:

Well yes personal cloaks exist. Our beloved Mk3 is just that. But a PC doesn't have an engine that screams like a banshee and roars like the apocalypse when it moves.

Yes, exactly. Cloaking doesn't make you silent as well, does it?

The Lich King · Commando Posts: 200 Join date: 2008-12-12

Sadistic Hobo wrote:

Akamaz wrote:

Worship Cthulhu wrote:

Couple of suggestions:

hmmm... maybe some sort of cloaking device? hmm

From that same article;
"They can't have disappeared. No ship that small has a cloaking device…" (Referring to the Falcon)

They *say* No ship that small has a cloaking device, but what about Rogue Shadow, Starkillers ship? Same size, if not smaller than the Falcon, has one. Go figure.

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Sadistic Hobo · Stormtrooper Posts: 57 Join date: 2009-06-17 Age: 19

The Lich King wrote:

Sadistic Hobo wrote:

Akamaz wrote:

Worship Cthulhu wrote:

Couple of suggestions:

hmmm... maybe some sort of cloaking device? hmm

From that same article;
"They can't have disappeared. No ship that small has a cloaking device…" (Referring to the Falcon)

They *say* No ship that small has a cloaking device, but what about Rogue Shadow, Starkillers ship? Same size, if not smaller than the Falcon, has one. Go figure.

Yes in terms of canon it may well be possible to cloak a speeder. But of course every Tom Dick and Harry does not have access to whatever super secret stuff Vader's super secret apprentice did. This is a mechanics issue though. The people that hide on speeders just want to circumvent the movement speed penalty, and that shouldn't be allowed.

The Lich King · Commando Posts: 200 Join date: 2008-12-12

Agreed.

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Kazhan · Subject: Re: Couple of Suggestions Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:16 pm

Cloaking devices are absurdly rare post clone-wars because the empire strip mined all of the Stygium crystal. It being the catalyst for most stealth devices.

Worship Cthulhu · Commando Posts: 154 Join date: 2009-05-28

Just to stress this once more, a cloaking device doesn't make you silent. A speeder engine can be heard, and a guy with no Move Silenty should be visible when moving when under the effects of an invisibility belt.

Wids · Recruit Posts: 18 Join date: 2009-09-05

NightShadow wrote:

As for the whole ranged weapon/melee weapon deal... Our vibroblades and stuff -should- deal much more damage than a hot blob of plasma, the blade vibrates extraordinarily fast, increasing its cutting power exponentially, making it so that it cuts through most types of armor, and wounds keep bleeding out and don't clot as easily.

I agree. Every sci-fi setting featuring vibroweapons (at least, the settings that I've seen) pretty much likens vibroweapons to little chainsaws, perhaps even something worse than chainsaws. And anyone who has ever handled a chainsaw (or watched a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie) has an idea of the horrific damage which a chainsaw can inflict on flesh and bone. Firefighter's chainsaws are even designed to cut through light metal; if your body armor is anything less durable than trauma plates, you're going to get cut. And we're not talking about an "Ow, I sliced my thumb open while I was slicing the tomatoes" kind of cut, either.

So imagine how much nastier it would be to get chopped with a vibroblade. With a superbly keen edge quaking and rocking back and forth thousands or millions of times per minute, well, imagine taking a Ginsu kitchen knife and cutting through a copper pipe with it. That back-and-forth cutting motion that you just did while you were bearing down with the knife? That cutting motion's happening hundreds or thousands of times per second with a vibroblade. Even a fireman's chainsaw might have trouble keeping up with a weapon like that.

And let's take into account the metallurgy of the blade; with that much vibration and that much internal and external force working this way and that, only a vibroblade made of the most durable alloys is going to stand up to that level of stress; even a vibroblade of ordinary steel might crack, break or fall apart as soon as you engage the power cell. So once that blade bites into you, it's not going to give.

Science fiction gives us more snazzy melee weapons besides vibroblades, too. You have monomolecular blades (crafted with such machine precision that the very edge of the blade is exactly one molecule thick, which is as sharp as you could possibly ask for) and its sibling, the monomolecular or monofilament whip (a wire that's one molecule wide from end to end; don't ask me why the thing wouldn't break the first time it lashes against something solid, though). You have electroblades (what it sounds like: a metallic weapon electrified with megawatts--or gigawatts, or terawatts--of compact electrical power, guaranteed to knock a grizzly bear on its back with the first solid hit), you have tachyon blades (a poor man's lightsaber) and you have the more exotic weapons like hyperdensity weapons (tipped with an incredibly intense gravitational field and/or a tiny mass of star matter; anything touched by the hyperdensity field basically implodes on a molecular level or is torn away by the weapon's hypergravity field; too bad this weapon weighs, like, half a ton and most likely requires a powered exoskeleton to wield...) and antimatter rods (where one end of the staff emits and blankets itself with a suspension field or zero-point energy field in which a small cluster of antimatter particles is suspended; tap someone with the rod and watch their armor and body mass go POP and vaporize, leaving a nasty, gaping wound; unfortunately, the rod expends antimatter with every strike and can only work so many times before it runs out of antimatter reserves and is reduced to an ordinary hypertech quarterstaff).

So, as you can see, there are plenty of options for very damaging melee weapons for people who don't have the wherewithal to own and wield lightsabers.

My proposal: what we presently call vibroweapons are, in effect, ordinary, unevolved, Dungeons-&-Dragons-calibre weapons. Is there still a place in the Star Wars universe for ordinary weapons? Sure, there is. Mankind has used ordinary knives, swords and axes since the Bronze Age. Do we still use ordinary knives, swords and axes? Absolutely. Sure, these weapons have evolved since the Bronze Age; they're crafted from better and more durable materials, they hold an edge longer and they've become a lot cheaper to make and to buy. Buying a longsword back in the Middle Ages--like buying a six-shooter back in the Old West frontier years--was a financial expense comparable to buying a new car today; nowadays, you can get online and buy the same battle-ready longsword for about $40-$150, depending on the sword's quality and design. And a longsword from 2009 AD still works the same way--and cuts about as deeply--as a longsword from 1009 AD.

So my humble suggestion would be to take our current vibroblades, turn them back into their ordinary counterparts and make them all a lot cheaper; 1 Credit should cover most of them. Then fill the gaps with new vibroweapons, which are supposed to be plenty more damaging than their ordinary forebears; Damage bonuses or higher damage dice for vibroweapons should do the trick. I can't recall how damaging lightsabers are on this server, but if there's any huge stat gap between vibroblades and lightsabers, fill the gap with monomolecular vibroblades, tachyon blades, electroblades, hyperdensity weapons or anything else which would do more damage than a vibroblade but less damage than a lightsaber.

So them's my suggestions. Thoughts?

Serenity · Subject: Re: Couple of Suggestions Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:15 am

Pft one you know nothing of chemistry, you know what gas is right? Plasma is hotter, suns typicaly are full of plasmas, depending on what material the plasma is it will be really damn hot, a glob of that hits you it will instantly vaporize your armor flesh whatever really, also a monofilament blade? for one they are delicate, sure they are the sharpest thing around, but if you are cutting and what you are cutting moves it will get stuck and possibly break, an anti matter weapon? that is suicide, if you contact it with the right materiel it will blow up with an explosion larger then a modern day nuclear weapon because it uses 100% energy of what it hits, well saying a vibro weapon is like a chain saw is totaly wrong, you are thinking of chainswords, such as in warhammer, vibro weapons as you say later vibrate really fast so it allows it to rip a bigger hole really, and in pnp a vibro weapon just does double damage, tell me, what hurts more, having boiling water hit you, and sear into your skin, or being stabbed and have it moved around, of course the stab hurts more, but what leaves more damage to your body? the water. A contained high gravity field is unpractical, not to mention get a few of them together depending on the amount of gravity they create you have a black hole, an electric weapon is fine and dandy but don't forget how electricity works, path of lest resistance, so if you are wearing full metal armor it will avoid you and go straight for the ground, avoiding the body because it is not as good of a conductor, or it would need sufficiant charge to get all the way through where it hits everything in between there and the ground, note that tazers will work on someone in cloth a lot better then someone in a ceramic plate.
In short, sure melee can hurt, but none of that sounds as damaging as something that can be a few thousand degrees hitting you, why do you think most people in star wars used blasters over vibro weapons? the only reason they used vibros in kotor was because of shields that made blasters next to useless canonically.

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